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Meanings of elements
INTERCOURSE (sexual) with SHORT LENGTH ABOUT ONE INCH
…or: INTERCOURSE (verbal) with THROBBING, SQUEEZING GRIP
…or: INTERCOURSE (sexual) with FEEL OF FLUIDS PUMPING
「Words」with a「squeezing grip」as someone who CRITICIZES another and PROVOKES A RESPONSE, to CHASTISE, CENSURE, a tongue lashing.「Squeezing grip on intercourse, speaking」also means MARRIAGE GENERALLY in Chinese. Not many couples are able to continue the level of conversation during the newlywed period. Many degenerate into apathy, or, passive silence to avoid conflict. Obviously, the level of marital partner sexual activity also declines, in many cases to virtually nil.
Then again,「intercourse with squeezing grip」that does not permit easy escape fits well with the ancient version of this glyph (䚯) that suggests「reaming intercourse, penetration of a new bunghole」to mean PUNISH BY FORCE, always a favored method of QUELLING A REBELLION.
「Intercourse with a squeezing grip」suggests having sex with oneself, another common characteristic of married non-newlyweds, and the non-married. PROVOKE A RESPONSE is clearly related to the oldest elements of「tonguing mouth, say」with a「squeezing grip」perhaps biting one's tongue after PROVOKING A RESPONSE. Biting a partner is much more obvious within Chinese vocabulary employing this glyph (such as「girl trafficked into a brothel to work as prostitute」), so be sure to have a look at the list of similar glyphs.
Replacement glyph (䚯) as「intercourse severed.」…and these same elements describe a service provider biting the head off a client to PUNISH BY FORCE, AVENGE, seek VENGEANCE or REVENGE of some prior wrong done, and MARRIAGE IN GENERAL, too, but not with as literal of a meaning in most cases. Biting the head off of penises was one reason the idea of dis-integrating feet and using that meat for mentulomaniacal joy was initially conceived as being the greatest idea of humankind prior to sliced bread.
「Palming, control」of a「changing state, turgid-flaccid」and「short length」seems to suggest quickly quelling a rebellion, PROVOKE A RESPONSE, having sex with oneself (DEAD-BEATING, to DUN), MARRIAGE IN GENERAL, COLLECT A DEBT and so on.
Marriage is a relatively recent institution in our species’ 300,000-plus-years of history, originating perhaps 5,000 years ago in Mesopotamia, and until quite recently served to bind women to men as property assets, to ensure paternity, and protect the male's lineage among descendants. That puts marriage at ~1–2% of the age of Homo sapiens.

External source definitions …excluding politically incorrect concepts and other meanings deemed offensive today; may include extended definitions, euphemisms, and mnemonics)
Chinese: to invite; to provoke; to demand or ask for; to send armed forces to suppress; to denounce or condemn; to marry (a woman); to discuss or study
Japanese EDRDG: chastise, attack, defeat, destroy, conquer
Unihan extended: to discuss; ask for, beg; demand; dun; marry

Always keep in mind that these glyphs most likely were originally designed by groups of clever old men as vulgar riddles for their own entertainment (see 籒 for that), representing Chinese society many thousands of years ago, but intended NOT as a written or spoken language when created. If these glyphs had been intended for language use, the sages could not have possibly designed a worse system! Is it truly possible that all these glyphs started out as off-color jokes and puzzles? Yes! It is, and often with multiple correct answers to each riddle, the same as is true today. Sex had no shame in ancient China. Why would it? But, have there been necessary rewrites and altered explanations of the original elemental meanings over the centuries?

No one is suggesting these glyphs depict contemporary life in China, Japan, or anywhere else. This site describes glyph meanings, not people. These glyphs however, describe many and various things, including people, long before there were any notions of becoming politically incorrect. The question to be answered is, should these glyphs continue being used, by anyone, anywhere, for expressing language? (More...) Despite how seemingly bad our human existence is today, do you actually believe that the so-called good old days were any better? Or could they have been worse?

By the way, with a limited number of the same elements used by the sages again and again to form these glyphs, you should expect to find the same explanations again and again, as tedious as that may become, and as an inherent trait of any lexicon. This site explains multiple meanings of glyphs ignored or censored by other sources, generally as being too embarrassing to admit today.



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Chinese usage: 54 entries


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